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Twitch1977 · Dec 04, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

I like that it's a very hard area and I agree that overall NF was very easy. The only thing I don't like is that PUG's only want certain professions and certain builds. I know that's not ANet's fault at all, but it still sucks.

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garethporlest18 · Dec 04, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by Bocjo Bassannn

Perhaps my problem is indeed finding groups with the paitence knowledge and ability to get anywhere in this new area.

That's my problem as well.

Fates · Dec 04, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by Sal

ELITISM - adj & n : The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

The first mistake Anet made was to use this word to describe it's extra missions / quests in all three campaigns. It's inflammatory , and seems to bring out the worst in some people IMHO . There are (and were ) many elitists in this small world of ours and if one of them had his way we would all be blue eyed with jet black hair.

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Actually, it's never been referred to as an elitism mission. It's always been called an elite mission.

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e·lite /ɪˈlit, eɪˈlit/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-leet, ey-leet] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. (often used with a plural verb) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
2. (used with a plural verb) persons of the highest class: Only the elite were there.
3. a group of persons exercising the major share of authority or influence within a larger group: the power elite of a major political party.

This is an elite mission because it isn't meant for every one. It is designed for the best pve players, just like the gvg world championships are for the best pvp players. The pve players haven't had a lot missions that separate the good from the average, this does just that. Theoretically completing it will reward them in some way, just like the best pvp players in the world get rewards that distinguish them from the average pvp'er. The elite players have been begging for a challenging mission, now they have it.

sacrypheyes · Dec 04, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Sal

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Do I think the Rit hero should be aquired the way he is now ?

Absolutely not !! Unless he's a lvl 28 Rit Lord with 300 attribute points , glows teal blue with a uber green Rit stave that fires nuclear AoE dmg out his arse , he should be outside Kaineng Center available to all that have the Factions campaign by doing a simple quest.

This thread and the others like it are all proposing similar arguments and should be put to bed.

1. Move the Rit hero so all that have completed NF can easily aquire him .

2. Leave the DoA as it is.

Problem solved

Now happy gaming all

Sal

QTF

would it have hurt them so much to barely put razah right at the end of the throne of secrets with some quest mark above his head telling "hey man, would you mind meeting me at DoA so that i join you?"... screw that

could someone tell me again why a rit hero is that hard to get in nightfall while players who didn't own factions will have about no use of him?

i could care less about DoA as i'll try my best and take as much time as needed to complete it anyway but i damn need this rit hero

Guardian of the Light · Dec 04, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Really Anet making a area for the "elite" doesn't make sense because Anet needs to sell to the "casual player".

I wouldn't mind if the MISSION was this hard but the quest and the areas are extremely hard too. That skill enraged makes the area just plain stupid. Not all of us can afford to grind for the titles needed for this place and to get Razah.

Fates · Dec 04, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Omega X

Sounds kind of retarded.

If it was intended to be elite as you say, then they specifically made a part of the game for less than 10% of their customers. Which is stupid because you are supposed to be targeting 90%+.

Fuzzy tactics are becoming a staple...

Caught you before the edit.

What percentage of their customers have access to the world championship with actual cash rewards?

Nearly everything A-net has done in the last 18 months has been done to dumb down this game to make it easy for that 90%. Finally they do something to appease that 10%, and the 90% blast them for it. Dont worry, I'm sure with enough complaining and time, they will dumb this down as well.

garethporlest18 · Dec 04, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Apparently it's apart of the mission. Because they should have res shrines so 4.5 hours of work don't go down the drain because of a lag out or mistake.

Manic Smile · Dec 04, 2006, 02:45 AM // 02:45

The title doesn't help you...

Spazzer · Dec 04, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Relax: It's cool guys. Titan Gemstones are a requirement of the final hero.

So it's guaranteed that none of you will ever finish that quest.

Down to 4 districts in GoA. Not as many groups forming. Mostly chest farming (which is actually what the area seems designed for--try it).

Sal · Dec 04, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Fates Monk

Actually, it's never been referred to as an elitism mission. It's always been called an elite mission.

Quite right , I used the adjective to describe (what I believe) to be the mind set of the current threads in this regard .

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This is an elite mission because it isn't meant for every one

Case in point.

Eclair · Dec 04, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

Relax: It's cool guys. Titan Gemstones are a requirement of the final hero.

So it's guaranteed that none of you will ever finish that quest.

Down to 4 districts in GoA. Not as many groups forming. Mostly chest farming (which is actually what the area seems designed for--try it).

Gemstones can drop from any of the mobs in that area. I can guarrantee a week or two from now, most of the gemstones that'll be sold would be ones from people who farm the first or 2nd groups of mobs.

Omega X · Dec 04, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Fates Monk

Caught you before the edit.

What percentage of their customers have access to the world championship with actual cash rewards?

Nearly everything A-net has done in the last 18 months has been done to dumb down this game to make it easy for that 90%. Finally they do something to appease that 10%, and the 90% blast them for it. Dont worry, I'm sure with enough complaining and time, they will dumb this down as well.

Seems that you did catch me before the edit...and disappearance of that message for some reason.

I haven't seen them dumb down much of anything in the last 18 months. Just look at the AI change. IF they really wanted to make things easier, they would have removed the Run on AOE, Kite on Attack for caster classes, retreat on empty HP and not aggro on sight OR making them better at using skills. AND made them lvl 20 and not lvl 28/30 mobs of 12 to 16 all the time. The PvP type of missions lately also makes it harder for the average player. So of course the 90% will blast them for it.

Spike · Dec 04, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by icedragon981

On my Paragon I've beaten the city and came very close to beating Ravenheart with normal PUGs, it's just a matter of time, you'll get it eventually.

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

Sorry but if the only thing here is just new skins for old weapons and a hero which should of been included in the main game in the 1st place. I and I belive MANY others don't see the point. Maybe if there where actually NEW weapons and I mean REALLY NEW never before seen weapons in GW in here and a "Boss" Hero then it would probley be worth it. But as it stands its NOT

Any thing said in this post IS MY OPINION. You may or may not agree with it. But don't go posting thats its not a vaild opinion as it just as vaild as anyone elses.

Spazzer · Dec 04, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by Eclair

Gemstones can drop from any of the mobs in that area.

They are mob specific. Have fun farming Titans.

Eclair · Dec 04, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

They are mob specific. Have fun farming Titans.

Well, either way, somebody will figure out a good method. You only need 1 gemstone to get Razah anyways.

Although the 25 of each gemstone for the armbrace of truth will seriously be incredibly painful.

aohige · Dec 04, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

Really Anet making a area for the "elite" doesn't make sense because Anet needs to sell to the "casual player".

I wouldn't mind if the MISSION was this hard but the quest and the areas are extremely hard too. That skill enraged makes the area just plain stupid. Not all of us can afford to grind for the titles needed for this place and to get Razah.

There are no titles required for this area.

I repeat.

There are no titles required for this area.

High lightbringer ranks only helps you a tiny fraction, and is not anywhere near enough to save your butts.
It's very funny to see LB discrimination going on around, and yet they seem to fail to complete any of the four zones in the quest.
Yet our motley crew of so-so-players complete two zones with lb ranks of 1-4.

grottoftl · Dec 04, 2006, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by Spike

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

Sorry but if the only thing here is just new skins for old weapons and a hero which should of been included in the main game in the 1st place. I and I belive MANY others don't see the point. Maybe if there where actually NEW weapons and I mean REALLY NEW never before seen weapons in GW in here and a "Boss" Hero then it would probley be worth it. But as it stands its NOT

Any thing said in this post IS MY OPINION. You may or may not agree with it. But don't go posting thats its not a vaild opinion as it just as vaild as anyone elses.

check out the elonian explorers' league section they have threads where people have completed the quests and giving out builds and where exactly did icedragon say he was going to make money off of people here?

aohige · Dec 04, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Spike

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

Sorry but if the only thing here is just new skins for old weapons and a hero which should of been included in the main game in the 1st place. I and I belive MANY others don't see the point. Maybe if there where actually NEW weapons and I mean REALLY NEW never before seen weapons in GW in here and a "Boss" Hero then it would probley be worth it. But as it stands its NOT

Any thing said in this post IS MY OPINION. You may or may not agree with it. But don't go posting thats its not a vaild opinion as it just as vaild as anyone elses.

Spike, you keep posting complaints yet you don't seem to go around looking for strategy threads.

DoA: Stygian Veil completed - strategy and build

Now, if we were so selfish that we want to KEEP THIS TO OURSELVES, why would we write guides and inform the massess?
Read the thread, there ARE "NEW never before seen weapons" in these areas for rewards. Including greens. Yes, greens.
You're screaming for proof, so why don't you come to this thread?

Kakumei · Dec 04, 2006, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Spike

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

What part don't you believe? Beating the City of Torc'Qua isn't all that difficult, overall--it's merely incredibly long and very unforgiving of mistakes.

If you want actual proof, I do have screenshots, and I could throw down the build my PuG used skill-for-skill.

Shaden · Dec 04, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

Really Anet making a area for the "elite" doesn't make sense because Anet needs to sell to the "casual player".

I wouldn't mind if the MISSION was this hard but the quest and the areas are extremely hard too. That skill enraged makes the area just plain stupid. Not all of us can afford to grind for the titles needed for this place and to get Razah.

But Anet also needs to appeal to the non-casual players. They already gave casual players the best PvE expansion, now they need to give something to those who want more than that. Just because some large percent equals casual players, doesn't mean you can forget the rest. I agree, Razah needs to be moved, but an area appealling to those who are above standard gaming level is great. Just because they represent a small amount of players doesn't mean you over-look them... so your first point goes nowhere in my humble opinion.